SavonAsukkaat - Person Sheet
SavonAsukkaat - Person Sheet
NameIda Maria Kaartinen 
Birth4 Aug 1885, Hällinmäki 1, Pieks.
Death25 Dec 1961, Ashtabula, Ohio Age: 76
FatherJohan Kaartinen (1842-1905)
MotherUlrika Väisänen (1845-1930)
Spouses
Birth2 Mar 1872, Längelmäki 6, Pieks.
Death20 Jun 1950, 1812 West 14th St., Ashtabula, Ohio Age: 78
Occupationcarpenter
FatherAsarias Jordan (1843-1919)
MotherSofia Riipinen (1850-1911)
Marriage16 Feb 1907, Ashtabula, Ohio
ChildrenWalter Edwin (1909-1978)
Notes for Ida Maria Kaartinen
Pieksämäen syntyneet record 4aug1855 Hällinmäki 1
1890-1899 LK p 056 Hällinmäki 1 “Torp. Johan Kaartisen ja vaimonsa Ulla Wäisäin, synt 1845, lapset” “Tytär, 4/8 1885” “1893 lle 117”
1890-1899 LK p 117 Hällinmäki 22 “Lp.. Johan Kaartisen ja vaimonsa Ulla Wäisäin, synt 1845, lapset”
The Jefferson County court confirmed this wedding date
Pieks. office has her birth as 4.8.1885 we had thought it to be July 4.
visited Finland about 1929 and again in 1952
1890-1899 LK p 056 Hällinmäki 1 “Torp. Johan Kaartisen ja vaimonsa Ulla Wäisäin, synt 1845, lapset” “Tytär, 4/8 1885” “1893 lle 117”
1890-1899 LK p 117 Hällinmäki 22 “Lp.. Johan Kaartisen ja vaimonsa Ulla Wäisäin, synt 1845, lapset”
The Jefferson County court confirmed this wedding date
Pieks. office has her birth as 4.8.1885 we had thought it to be July 4.
visited Finland about 1929 and again in 1952
Notes for Asarias (Spouse 1)
1867-1879 LK p 314 Längelmäki 6 “2/3 1872”
1890-1899 LK p 358 Längelmäki 6 adm 1890
1890-1899 p 358 Längelmäki 6 Nikkilänmäki “poika” adm 1890
Pieksämäen syntyneet record
a carpenter/farmer in Ashtabula probably doing the same work he would have done if he were still in Finland, literate with good handwriting. "Kaikkia siitä nekä kuin vanhaksi elä.' was a common comment.
He subscribed to Helsingin Sanomat.
Ray Koski says that he was a skilled and careful carpenter, did not drink immoderately, and this is all I could extract from him. As I recall, he made his own beer in the basement.
Obituary in June 21, 1950 Star Beacon paper
probate listed $14,114 of assets, including a 1928 two-door Pontiac sedan. $8350 of real estate and $6000 in two bank accounts
Karen says he was born on march 21,22, or 23 and he wasn’t born at home, but rather where his mother was visiting on a weekend.
aka Asko acc. to Längelmäki history book
"Explanation of emmigration:
According to tales and family traditions, for many young men the obligatory
conscription system was the reason to leave the country. At least it was an
excuse. It all started in November 1881 and went on until the oppression
years 1902-1905. The first group of young men were those who had been born
in 1859. However, we must remember that this army was never in a war. The
last war in the European part of Russia was the second Polish mutiny in
1863-1864. Finnish troops were not taking part. During the Russo-Japanese
war 1904-1905 Finnish army was already abolished. In this way, the only real
"danger" which a minority of Finnish young men was facing, was a possible
three years´ service in a rifle battalion in Finland, where all officers,
NCOs and men were Finns.
As an exemple one battalion in Oulu and one in Vaasa (there were 9 of them
all togeher in Finland) needed both ca. 150 men for a three years´ service.
The majority of men had only 90 days´ training during three summers (45 + 30
+ 15 days) in a nearby reserve company (Oulu, Oulainen, Kemi, Kajaani,
Kruunupyy, Laihia, Alavus and Närpiö). Many young men were free from service
because of social (only son etc.) or physical reasons. It is a matter of
taste if this was a heavy obligation.
I have studied this system and my impression is, that the young men left for
America already before it was clear what sort of military service was
waiting for them, that is, before the drafting event. According to Finnish
interpretation of the Conscription Law, Finns were not supposed to fight
behind our border lines.
In earlier years, the Life-Guard Finnish Rifle Battalion, being one
battalion of the Russian Imperial Guard, had been sent to fight against
Poles in 1831-1832, against Hungarians in 1849, against Werstern powers in
1854-1856 (Crimean War) and finally, against Turkey in the Balkans in
1877-1878. These men were recruited and in that way volunteers. In these
wars, ca. 2.000 Finns lost their lives, in 95% of the casualities because of
diseases.
Most information is available about men who were facing the conscription
system between 1881-1905. The documents are in the Finnish Military Archives
in Helsinki. To see the papers needs a personal visit or a hand to help,
like myself. To do the checking, one needs a whole and correct original
name, exact date of birth and home municipality (parish). If you know that
the person in question immigarated before he was 22, it is no use doing this
work. In that case he "failed to report for draft", to use your expression.
My personal view is that a Finnish young man was free to travel abroad when
he was 18. So, why should he wait four years in order to go to drafting
event. Only passport officers could have stopped this process. They seemed
to have been very flexible and - as we know - in some cases young men were
using other men´s passports."
Kari J Talvitie
Helsinki
1890-1899 LK p 358 Längelmäki 6 adm 1890
1890-1899 p 358 Längelmäki 6 Nikkilänmäki “poika” adm 1890
Pieksämäen syntyneet record
a carpenter/farmer in Ashtabula probably doing the same work he would have done if he were still in Finland, literate with good handwriting. "Kaikkia siitä nekä kuin vanhaksi elä.' was a common comment.
He subscribed to Helsingin Sanomat.
Ray Koski says that he was a skilled and careful carpenter, did not drink immoderately, and this is all I could extract from him. As I recall, he made his own beer in the basement.
Obituary in June 21, 1950 Star Beacon paper
probate listed $14,114 of assets, including a 1928 two-door Pontiac sedan. $8350 of real estate and $6000 in two bank accounts
Karen says he was born on march 21,22, or 23 and he wasn’t born at home, but rather where his mother was visiting on a weekend.
aka Asko acc. to Längelmäki history book
"Explanation of emmigration:
According to tales and family traditions, for many young men the obligatory
conscription system was the reason to leave the country. At least it was an
excuse. It all started in November 1881 and went on until the oppression
years 1902-1905. The first group of young men were those who had been born
in 1859. However, we must remember that this army was never in a war. The
last war in the European part of Russia was the second Polish mutiny in
1863-1864. Finnish troops were not taking part. During the Russo-Japanese
war 1904-1905 Finnish army was already abolished. In this way, the only real
"danger" which a minority of Finnish young men was facing, was a possible
three years´ service in a rifle battalion in Finland, where all officers,
NCOs and men were Finns.
As an exemple one battalion in Oulu and one in Vaasa (there were 9 of them
all togeher in Finland) needed both ca. 150 men for a three years´ service.
The majority of men had only 90 days´ training during three summers (45 + 30
+ 15 days) in a nearby reserve company (Oulu, Oulainen, Kemi, Kajaani,
Kruunupyy, Laihia, Alavus and Närpiö). Many young men were free from service
because of social (only son etc.) or physical reasons. It is a matter of
taste if this was a heavy obligation.
I have studied this system and my impression is, that the young men left for
America already before it was clear what sort of military service was
waiting for them, that is, before the drafting event. According to Finnish
interpretation of the Conscription Law, Finns were not supposed to fight
behind our border lines.
In earlier years, the Life-Guard Finnish Rifle Battalion, being one
battalion of the Russian Imperial Guard, had been sent to fight against
Poles in 1831-1832, against Hungarians in 1849, against Werstern powers in
1854-1856 (Crimean War) and finally, against Turkey in the Balkans in
1877-1878. These men were recruited and in that way volunteers. In these
wars, ca. 2.000 Finns lost their lives, in 95% of the casualities because of
diseases.
Most information is available about men who were facing the conscription
system between 1881-1905. The documents are in the Finnish Military Archives
in Helsinki. To see the papers needs a personal visit or a hand to help,
like myself. To do the checking, one needs a whole and correct original
name, exact date of birth and home municipality (parish). If you know that
the person in question immigarated before he was 22, it is no use doing this
work. In that case he "failed to report for draft", to use your expression.
My personal view is that a Finnish young man was free to travel abroad when
he was 18. So, why should he wait four years in order to go to drafting
event. Only passport officers could have stopped this process. They seemed
to have been very flexible and - as we know - in some cases young men were
using other men´s passports."
Kari J Talvitie
Helsinki