?Juva Vih “16/2x 1771, Encklingen Joh. Hulckoinen, Häkälä ja Pig Carin Kuroinen Haltula
from pag 15 of Sulkava, Kaipola book, “flyttad til Jokkas”

Juva 1792-1802 RK p 019 Härkälä
Juva 1803-1805 RK p 45 Härkälä “Ea”
1806-1814 RK p 55 Härkälä 1 (Juva) “Ea, 1752” “til 203, fr 203” “svag och xxx”
1806-1814 RK p 203 Marala 3 “ea, 1752” “ifr 55” (with sons Johan s. 1778 and Krister s. 1785 and Krister is “Bror” of Johan)
1815-1822 RK p 61 Härkälä 1 “ea, 1752”


birth not found in Juva HisKi for 1752

her birth not found in Sulkava HisKi 1748-1754, but a Matts Kuroin (s. 1726) had children in Kaitais, Sulkava. Matts was later found in Kilpola, Sulkava

Carin died 6jan1815, age 62, Ea värdinna, of feber in Härkälä 1 (data from Ahti Hulkkonen”

Some of the findings noted above about her were encouraged by a message from Ahti Hulkkonen

“David,

I have comment about Catharina Kuronen b.1752.

I belive she is not born in Juva but in Kaipola, Sulkava. She is the person that has caused me most work. Please see the following links.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=7318296
Died 1815
Line 5

Married to "enklingen" Johan Hulkoin from Härkäla
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=15075&pnum=34
15-Sep-1771

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=38310518
Carin 752, Father Matti Kuroin

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5423680
Carin, flyttad til Jockas (moved to Jockas (=Juva))

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6487638
Widow Karin Kuroin

Here is Johan Johansson Hulkoin 25-Oct-1778. If you follow the books backwards it is clear that he is actually
Johan Johansson Hulkoin, born 12-May-1778. His wife is Anna Pohjalain.

I can't prove it but I believe that Karin Kuroin is Johan Johansson's (12-May-1778) mother and his father is Johan Larsson Hulkkoin, born 1737. Karin was married to an "enklingen" Johan Hulkoin from Härkala 1771. It means father Johan must be born before 1754 and I cant find any other suitable Johan from Härkäla.

Is it possible to say that Johan and Lars belong into same family in Children's book. Lars' mother was Karin Kuroin
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=34586947
Also, what are relationships between Johan, Lars and Carin in
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6486914


Besta regards,
Ahti Hulkkonen”
to Ahti:

SULKAVA Children book 1766-1773, Kaipola, Matts Kuroins” National Archive image 5 “1752”

“In RK 1806-1814 RK p 55 Härkälä 1, Lars is described as Carin’s son (also as Johanssn)

Then on p 203 Carin is with other sons Johan and Krister (Krister is named as “Bror” of Johan.

Thus Lars, Johan and Krister must be brothers.

If Carin’s husband was Johan Lar’s son, it is consistent that their first-born son Lars would be named after his grand-father, as this was very common (the custom) at that time

The one Kuroin in Sulkava having children during the mid-1700s. was Matts, and the births of his children as found in HisKi match the list of children you found in the Sulkava lastenkirja plus Carin.

That there is no record for the birth of Carin in 1752 is not a worry; about 5% of births are not found in the records.

Carin’s second son was a Matts!!!”

there is a candidate in the HisKi death records for Härkälä

Juva HisKi 14.1.1737 23.1.1737 Härkälä Lars Larss: Hulkoin Maria Härätär Johan

Sulkava HisKI: 15.9.1771 Härkälä Änckl. Joh. Hulckoinen Pig. Carin Kurvinen Haltula